Kelly,

My problem, however, would be if you were to say that only con men sell snow plows and then used the fact that you had gotten by just fine for years without one to prove that no one needs one and that, in fact, anyone who needed one must not be very good at using whatever the alternative might be.

I would object to that as well- as you can see if you review my years of objecting when "certain people" on this very forum levelled exactly that sort of argument against Remote Views- accusations, copious disdain, attribution of technical immaturity or stupidity against anybody who used a RV when the mighty Stored Procedure is the only way.

With adult debate about RVs thus prevented, few now realize that (for example) RVs have given VFP developers 100% protection against SQL injection since 1995. SQL Injection is a topic that is creating great interest in 2004 with whole articles and massive debates with gurus proposing complex solutions, and dotNET fans crowing that dotNET is better than VFP because protection from SQL injection can be encapsulated.

IMHO that visible result which is completely contrary to the technical facts, is far more damaging than assertions that only VFP is any good.

Sorry, but you will not change my mind about that any more than I will change yours.

I promise I will change my mind if somebody provides satisfying technical argument to cause me to do so. Perhaps we can agree that exhortations and insults don't seem as convincing to either of us.

Regards

JR