Come on Jim you can't be serious!

In a past thread JVP mentioned professionalism of certain individuals. Did you read it?

So after what he said you should'nt call him a jerk. I'd say he's a professional jerk :-D


>Johnny-cakes,
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>Your evaluation of my reply, and your other comments on my 'state of mind', are the hallmarks of one who knows nothing of the person yet has a strong opinion which he is only too pleased to pass on to others regardless.
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>At least when it comes to web intercourse, you are a jerk of the first magnitude.
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>Jim
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>>>>Well you see, that is it. To many, their lives - in their mind - do depend on it. Looking at Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs, dinging Fox is like choking off ones supply of air, water, food. The basic survival instincts start coming out. In the end, it is there fault. You have to wonder about people who will wonder where their next job will be in Fox...and yet...will still not get with it and learn a new skill set. Oh well...sucks to be them...
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>>>JVP,
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>>>How did you begin the transition from Foxpro to .NET? Formal courses,
>>>conversion of apps or just jumped in with some books?
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>>Formal courses, IMO, are a waste of time - at least today. Books, whitepapers, and noodling around was a big part of it.
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>>By no means, do I consider myself a .NET expert...I'm not. I have above-average knowledge - and that is about it. I suppose I have expert knowledge in how to find things out.
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>>Keep in mind Jay that I was noodling around with .NET 3 years ago. During that time, you pick up a lot of knowledge. Last year, I worked on a project with Rod - which provided the most valuable experience.
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>>The most difficult thing to do (and I suppose it is the easiest at the same time) - is to just get started. Commit to learning 1 new thing about .NET each day. You'll be amazed at how much you can learn and retain - though this slow/incremental approach.
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>>Responses like Jim Nelson's are why so many in this community are incapable of going forward - and will relegated to the scrapheap of irrelevancy. Many, like Jim I suppose - while they may have a good deal of "knowledge" - that knowledge is inextricably bound with a particular tool. Imagine if you could only program on a Compaq Computer - but the client has Dell Computers. Rather absurd, isn't it?
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>>This all gets to the self-esteem issue - and the over-sensitivity that goes along with hit. People like Jim N. dislike me so much - and voice their anger for only one reason...I hit a nerve of truth... The old saying is that if they are PO'd at you...you must be on point and doing something right.
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>>If it seems like I go about things with the intent to anger and get some people PO'd - it is only becuase I do exactly that. I know how to elicit a response from many of these people. And...when they trot out something, either bashing technology becuse it is not Fox or becuase they are yet again, complaining about the state of affairs, I lay it on. In the process, I hope to show just how absurd their viewpoints are to the people who just lurk. Keep in mind that my real interest is in expressing a viewpoint from the other side of the table. That said, if I do get a few people PO'd and insensed at what I say - AND....if they in turn express their hostility in public the way they do...well...that is just icing on the cake.
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>>If they were smart...and most of them are not....they would just ignore. But...most of them cannot resist the tempation to go out on a limb - and post a message as to how wrong I am. The problem however (much like that of the Kerry Campaign and the Democratic Party) in general is that they cannot express a logical/coherent thought - to the extent that they cannot articulate positive points on their position. Instead of articulating reasons why their position is right - they instead, go the way of the strawman/ad-hom route - and tear the otherside down. The same is true with the Presidental Campaign. All the dems can say is "Bush has to go." Or..."Bush Lied". Those are opinions, and they are entitled to them. Ask them why Kerry should be President - and they get all hung up.
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>>Turning to the tecnology world, a Fox-Knob will be the first one to say ".NET sucks becuase it is not like Fox.." Yet. ask these people to articulate COMPELLING reasons to use Fox AT THE EXPENSE of other alternatives, and low and behold, they cannot do it.
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>>Let me share a story with you.. A friend...who shall go nameless...said to me the other day... "You know....it is pretty sad when the only compelling use for Fox is to use the wizard - and generate mailing labels..."
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>>You know what...this person is correct. The red-herring argument is that somebody might say..."Yep...it is difficult to do that in .NET!". My response would be "Right...I would use Word instead...< s >.."
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>>I know this is a rant..but it ticks me off the way the FoxKnobs of the community are hell-bent on holding the community back. It does seem that many of the former gurus who never kept up - have largely been relegated to the background where they belong. Most of the luminaries that talk at conferences are increasingly, being more and more .NET proponents - and are tolerate of non-Fox ways of doing something.
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>>Fox's day in the sun was great while it lasted. And to this day, it is a tool capable of doing a lot of good/solid work. But..in the bigger world - where MOST of the opportunities reside - it is not a player.
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>>That is just the way it is...