>>The bad thing was Germany warring with neighbours, thus forcing WWII. Had Germany kept to itself there would have been no WWII
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>I mostly agree with that, but once Germany had ramped up the concentration camps, the allies would have eventually attacked. The allies had already created Jewish palestine (mostly England) so there was sympathy for their cause and well being in Europe.

Yes, but how to explain that 'the world' claimed no knowledge of the concentration camps even after war started?
The 'liberty ship' incident - 1939 - seems to support that those camps weren't viewed as the horror they turned out to be.

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>>I think it can be agreed that while WWII was a "just" war as far as the Allies were concerned, NOTHING "good" came of it while tons and tons of BAD resulted.
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>I see the point re: just vs good, but I still think that "good" fits.
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>>Closing concentration camps that never would have been does not make WWII a "good" war.
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>You're assuming that WWII caused the concentration camps, it did not. They predate the war, back to about 1933.

I have a problem with 1933, but certainly agree that they significantly pre-dated war. Though a little differently than what they grew to be.
But I believe that they were 'made' as part of the plan for war, as much as for any other reason. In the twisted logic there at that time I believe they thought they were killing 2 birds with 1 stone: addressing their "problem" (geting their hands on property of the Jewish populations) and FREE LABOUR at the same time to build up their war machine.

But basically I have a problem calling ANY war "good". "Just" I'll agree. Good simply doesn't fit my head.

Jim