Hello Jos,
Your assumption of what I said couldn't be further off the mark. Read my post again, please. I made no assumptions, assertions, or statments about the capabilities of those coding in India or anywhere else for that matter... so take no insult.

What I said was that anyone who dares to move the business decision making part of the coding (the part that requires deep understanding of the business) halfway across the world deserves the obvious problems they ultimately will face.

(Note that also means anyone in South Africa, India, etc. who decides to move the bulk of the design and architecture to America is begging for trouble as well.)

You've also oversimplified design and architecture. It also means understanding business needs well enough to explain to a businessman why he/she doesn't really want what's being asked for -- why it would actually hurt the business. Someone who's merely had some design/architecture experience but doesn't understand the business would end up designing something elegant and beautiful, I'm sure... but it would be, at best, useless -- and at worst, potentially fatal to the business.

FWIW, except for your faulty assumptions mistakenly drawn from my last post and your not so humble predictions of my job security, I agree with your post.
---J

>Hi Jason.
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>Your post is entirely based on the assumption that outsourced development firms in India, in Eastern Europe, and so forth, are somehow inherently lacking in design/architecture skills. Besides being a little insulting it's also wrong.
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>Amongst other counter arguments one could make: just look around this forum and ask yourself where many of the smartest members are from (or come from). Then in India they have the highest number of degreed people per capita of any country. These are clever people and they are hungry for business. Don't equate lower price/cost of development with poorer quality. And lastly, its amazing how much "design/architecture" can actually be taught!
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>Innovation is different, I agree, and this quality seems to be unevenly distributed across humanity in any field and the west has had a good piece of that pie in the technology arena. But how many people who make their living in software development are the innovators at the top of the pyramid? By definition the majority will be coders who implement the designs made by the top. All of this work is subject to outsourcing. Even MS has done this ...
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>And ultimately, I believe even design and architeture will be completely out-sourced. They (the outsoured companies) are very smart, very clever, and very hungry. They will only get better at this work. Unless you are one of the innovators you are only kidding yourself if you think you have medium- to long-term job security as a coder.
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>imo.