Hi Bonnie. I wasn't going to get involved in this, just as I've stayed out of all the rest of it whenever it starts up. But I feel have to respond to this. I wish life were really so simple.

I agree entirely that there are far too many people "feeding the troll", and that's why the twit filter is pretty much useless.

For example. Somebody asks a VFP question. JVP jumps in and instead of answering, writes an essay on why the person should give up VFP and move to .Net. His arguments may even be valid, but the questioner wants an answer not an irrelevant essay. Then, of course, the feeders jump all over it. Now we have 500 messages in the thread. Somewhere in all that, somebody may even have answered the initial question - how can you tell?

Ok, so I filter out JVP (which I've never done, btw, because he does raise valid points from time to time (imho)) and I still have 200 or so messages to wade through in order to figure out if there is meat in there anywhere.

Do I twit out everybody?

Absolutely, the troll feeders are, at a bare minimum, half the problem.

Whether or not JVP should have been banned is not really for me to answer. It's Michel who has to keep all this junk on the system and pay for the space.

Clearly the simplest answer is for those who disagree with JVP to ignore him. Unfortunately, just as clearly, human nature being what it is...

Alan

>>If you don't want to hear him, you more or less have to, because he is everywhere, like a plague. And his arrogance is only topped by a few politicians I know of, and they at least have a reason, like it or not.
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>Sorry, Tore ... that's just plain ridiculous. You have PUTM, you could have used the Twit Filter if you wanted to. And even if you didn't Twit Filter him out, you still didn't have to read his words. No one was forcing you to.
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>>Hi Rod,
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>>I accept your standpoint, but in this case I don't agree with you.
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>>The way JVP has taken over thread after thread in his crusade to talk down on VFP and all us programmers who has not yet converted to the new 'religion' of .NET for whatever reason, is faaaaaar from acceptable. He obviously has his opinion, and he is of course in his right to mean whatever he wants. But here on UT he has been worse than any religious fanatic I have ever met, he does not care whether anyone wants to hear his words or not. If you don't want to hear him, you more or less have to, because he is everywhere, like a plague. And his arrogance is only topped by a few politicians I know of, and they at least have a reason, like it or not.
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>>The way he talks down on people, I myself included some months ago, is not acceptable anywhere where normal rules of politeness and respect are valid. He may mean whatever he wants about himself, but his way of throwing his high ego on other people, itself is good enough reason for being banned. He received warnings, but he did not listen. Trying to talk sense to him is like peeing against the wind.
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>>We have a saying in Norway, I think it is more or less international: If you ask for a fight, you must expect a beating. I really think he asked for it.
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>>Sorry Rod, no sympathy from me.
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>>One final note: I hope this thread does not grow out of proportions, like other threads with or about JVP. I myself will not give any more comments on this matter, the case is closed as far as I am concerned.