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>Yes, and the funny thing is that, in the same document, Level Extreme gives permission to use this material to some degree. Don't get me wrong, I fully agree with the statements in the document and advice people to read it once more.

It's called fair use and was discussed just today in another thread.

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>>Yes. LevelExtreme owns the UT and can suspend it at anytime.
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>Where did you read this?? You sound so sure..

See the copyright notice at the end of http://www.levelextreme.com/News/InformationalBulletin.asp.

As for shutting down the web site, haven't you ever heard of a business closing it's doors? The UT is not a publically run forum. It is a business, just as the coffee shop on the corner or the supermarket down the street. There is no obligation to keep it running.

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>I sense in your words that you actually think it's not fair and that payments for years ahead should be paid back. Am I right?

I have mixed feelings on this. If you violate something that you agreed to follow, then perhaps you should forfeit any payments you had made. But then, it really depends on what happened. If someone feels they should get their money back, they can always take it to court.

>So, you agree that they have no right to do everything? I specifically used the word 'everything' because Denis Chassé explicitly used that word.

I didn't see the posting that Denis made, so I can't comment on that.

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>I wonder whether JVP is prospectless if he decides to go to court. No, just kidding, I don't want to throw oil on the fire.
>What I try to find out is not so much what rights a member actually has, but rather whether the members have the right to be a partner in defining the rights. It is my observation that sometimes it's quite easy and other times it's too difficult to influence the administration.

IMO, the members do not have the rights to form the terms and conditions. Again, the UT is a business and the rules of using the business are left up to the business owner, so long as those rules don't violate the laws where the business is incorporated.