John,

>So your little piece of the world had 80 years in the sun? Wow, I'm impressed and during that they were slave traders.

And ??? the times were totally different up then. However if you look at the ways the 'civilised word' currently there are lots of paralells to draw.

>And Holland should tend to Holland's business and leave the politics of the US to US citizens. You don't see many Americans telling you how things "should be" in Holland, do you?

They do. If they are telling us what to do with our liberal drug policy, and the way they handle trade embargo's, we certainly have a voice to tell America what we think of them. You don't have a clue.

Walter,