This thread is one of the most interesting, I have so far observed on UT. Very timely in my case because I have been getting into MaxFrame over the past 2 weeks. Probably, I have not chosen the "best", but it seems to suit my circumstances. The point I wish to make is that, one way or another, together with, and in partnership with OOP, the stage is presently being set for huge gains in productivity and quality. Also I believe we ain't seen nothing yet!
Another point I would like to make is on benefit multipliers- On a different definition of Frameworks, we are all involved in one of the best development frameworks available, the Universal Thread. The basic functionality of the information delivery Site and the willingness of highly talented people to help is in fact a FRAMEWORK. I dont see this extra leverage available within the FRamework Vendors discussion groups. Could I suggest a specific category of postings be created for "Frameworks".

John Harriss