>>>OK Dean. But in the end people are dying in the name of religion. I certainly agree with you that it is as wrong now as it was then. For the fanatics on either side it's the end that counts, not the means. That's always bad, in any endeavour.
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>>I agree. Humans are by nature bad, corrupt, greedy, selfish e.t.c.
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>I dont think so. Most "evil" commited by the average person is borne out of ignorance. I don't think people are bad by nature.

By nature do childen know how to share with others? Do they know to say tahnk you? Do they know to be polite?, do they know right form wrong?

No. They must be taught these things. By nature they are bad (But cute).

What happen when a child grows up w/o parents to guide them? They usually become criminals and such. And you'll say "well thats not their fault". Maybe not. But it does prove my point, left alone they become bad.


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>>In some religion you can say that the people are "evil". But in other, you can really say that their religion is bad because it teaches it's follower to kill.
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>It's true. Religion has often been used and abused as a means to control the masses since forever.
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>>>But one can also research the conditions under which fanaticism flourishes. When everybody has a bmw, a big house, health and wealth then you rarely see religous fanaticism. It's a symptom of a much larger problem.
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>>I don't drive a BMW or have a big car. :(
>>I drive a 98 Toyota (paid for) and live in a 2800 sqft house.
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>It's the general point, not the specifics :)
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>>Well, is it our fault that most of the Muslim live under such oppressive conditions? I mean think about all the Muslim nations. How many of them really live well?
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>Is it entirely, 100%, their fault?

If they don't anything about it, yes. I don't want to get corny here but, America went through the revolutionary war because of similar issues. You have to be willing to fight for things you believe in. Freedom come at a cost.

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>>I really feel for all people that are living under some religious a$$ holes who care nothing about life and freedom. They treat their people like crap. They kill their own people because of their own short coming and paranoia. And blame us for their problems. We want to help, but it's difficult to help them if they do these things in the name of their god Ala.
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>Yes, the problems are complex and deep with lots of historical baggage. But if there's a will there's a way. Or we could just bomb everybody and anybody who we think is a threat and feel much safer for it ;)

If there is a will there's a way? What the heck does that mean? Talking in cliche now? Just thinking about it won't solve anything. How long does one have to think? Does it take a lot of thinking to know that killing in the name of some hoky religion is evil?