>>>I've got a resource file saved no but how do I get the command window to not be ontop and the form controls toolbar to default to not being visible?
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>>For command window, rightclick the caption, and uncheck "Dock"
>>For the form controls... edit a form or class, hide the toolbar (view/toolbars). Then close everything, quit, copy the foxuser. I'm not sure this part would work, though - it has a mind of its own sometimes.
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>NOPE. when I modi form myform, the form designer window is about half size, the properties window is always there, ontop and annoying, the the cmd windows is back up top again. hmmpf!

PS, in my tools/options/file locations, it always says resource file =[not used] although I set it to be used and set as default to boot.