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22/12/2004 14:20:38
 
 
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22/12/2004 13:57:26
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Forum:
Politics
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Other
Title:
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
00971186
Message ID:
00971560
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>>How about this... a man shoots and kills some one you love (assuming you have a loving spouse, relative or someone close). You take him to court. But he says "I really don't believe that I killed him/her...". Is he right/innocent?
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>>According to you (if you believe in relative reality) this is a legitimate defense for murder.
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>If it were up to him to decide his guilt then you'd be right. But its actually up to a jury, as their opinions (representing their subjective realities) are the determination of the court.
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>If the jury believes him, then his defense was good enough. If the jury didn't believe him, he didn't have a good enough defense.

We're now talking about something entirely different. Just because the jury found him not guilty doesn't mean he's innocent. It just means he got away with murder, literally. It doesn't change the fact/reality that he shot and murdered your, or someone else's, loved one.

So if a murderer avoids capture, he didn't commit the murder?



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>>>>>To tackle this question thoroughly we need to assume that the words "exist", "existence", "real", "reality", and "something" are all refering to the same thing. Anything that is something is real, it exists; reality is made up of everything in existence.
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>>>>>So back to the question. Is existence subjective or objective or both?
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>>>>If it truly exist and it can be verified, it exist.
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>>>It occurs to me that only what is subjectively known can even be attempted to be verified.
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>>I'l buy that. Everything else is theory, assumption or intuition/hunch.
>>Although you attempt to verify theories and assumptions.
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>Not quite. Theories, assumptions and hunches are subjectively known too. You don't create a theory from anywhere besides your consciousness, and even when you learn about an existing theory, it enters your consciousness too.

Ok....

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>Its the sort of situation where I say "love" and you hear "love" and we don't have any gaurantee that we're even talking about the same thing.

Yes, "LOVE" come in many flavors and intensity.
Work as if you don't need money
Love as if you've never been hurt before
Live as if this is your last day to live
Dance as if no one's watching
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