>objtoclient(datecontrol,1)+objtoclient(thisform,1) works if there is not a toolbar. Otherwise I am to low about 30 pixels. Thus, how can I find the height of the toolbar. I figure that I have the same issue with the left property but lets take one at a time.
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I guess I don't understand exactly what you're doing. I tried this with and without the standard toolbar showing, and although objtoclient returned different results, my code to calculate the top of the form didn't change, whether I used the Top property or objtoclient. I had the toolbar docked at the top of the screen. Where is the toolbar that's causing the problem?