BorderStyle = 0 Caption = '' Closable = .f. Height = 160 MaxButton = .f. MinButton = .f. Movable = .f. ShowWindow = 2 TitleBar = 0 WindowState = 0all looks fine in the class designer, but on instantiation the form has a titlebar and the Height has decreased to 135, if I set the BorderStyle to 1 and then back to 0, the Titlebar dissappears but the height is still 135!, anyone know what is going on here ?