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Business Objects, Frameworks, and Generators - Oh my!
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From
23/03/2005 01:03:30
Keith Payne
Technical Marketing Solutions
Florida, United States
 
 
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18/03/2005 15:33:17
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Forum:
ASP.NET
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Other
Environment versions
Environment:
VB.NET 1.1
OS:
Windows XP SP2
Network:
Windows XP
Database:
MS SQL Server
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Thread ID:
00997222
Message ID:
00998334
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My experience with Ironspeed is about 1.5 years old, so this may not be 100% correct anymore:

Ironspeed is an application generator, not a framework. It is designed to build and deploy web applications very quickly. Sort of like the template driven web site builders you see at the larger web hosting companies. I.e. pick a theme, choose which standard pages you want, upload some images and viola - you've got a web site.

The last time I worked with Ironspeed, it did not actually generate .NET source code. Everything ran through their DLL and everything was done on the fly. They've probably got a more expensive package that does generate source code now.

Ironspeed is designed for client/server only. What you get is web pages containing all of the data access and logic.

>It is definitely worth taking a look at IronSpeed Designer www.ironspeed.com.
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>Their website makes getting a feel for what the product has to offer very easy as there are a number of camtasia presentations that walk you through a lot of the processes. You can download a FULL 30 day evaluation copy and anything you develop in that time is legally yours.
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>I own Mere Mortals and have checked out a number of other products and I have to say the latest version of Ironspeed is incredibly slick and for about $800 for the developer edition and a year of maintenance ( i.e. you get the new version for VS 2005 ) I have no problem with the idea i can make the money back in a day.
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>If you check it out, let me know what you think. I bought it in November but have been up to my ears and only playing with it at this point.
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>( oh, if you read reviews, any version prior to 2.1 is about as different from 2.1 as VFP 8.0 is from 6.0 )
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>>I am currently taking the steep and long climb up the .NET learning curve and am considering fundemental design issues as I gain code skills. At this I can develop the simple UI controlled applications as presented in the walkthrus, but I am interested in developing or purchasing a sound n-tier framework. It appears that developing a n-tier framework can provide me with months if not years of work. I think the better way to go is to leverage a third party tool for this purpose.
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>>I know that MM.Net is highly regarded on this site, and I have been studying the CSLA business objects model. I also have reviewed the Microsoft Enterprise library.
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>>It seems that the Microsoft Enterprise library is a programmer convenience, and not a full framework. The CSLA seems robust for business objects but lacks the convenience features of the Enterprise library. Does anyone know if these two tools have ever been combined? Can the best parts of the Enterprise library (Security, Caching, Configuration) be used in conjunction with CSLA.
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>>I have requested a MM.Net eval so that I can see if it can satisfy my requirement for programmer convenience along with business / data encapsulation features.
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>>Can anyone offer comments regarding these tools, or recommendations and experiences with other frameworks.
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>>Thanks
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>>Glenn Domeracki
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