Hi Craig,

>A couple of years ago, when Joe lived in SLC, he and I sat down together for lunch. Dan's take is right on. Joe is a purist and anything that doesn't follow pure relational specs is bad. Joe is also very intelligent and knows alot more about relational databases than most of us will collectively learn in our life times. And he's not afraid to tell you that.

But boy, watch out what happens when some other intelligent person disagrees. I wonder what would have happened if CODD, DATE and CELKO were sitting at one table. We can only guess, CODD died a few years ago. There is much to say about develloping database sultions. But we should keep in mind that in the end, WE have to deliver practical database solutions, while they mostly talk about theoretical issues and generally don't have any idea what a developer has to write to at front and back end to write a decent application.

Walter,