>I think what you're saying is "Society's going to Hell in a hand basket". I wouldn't disagree. Are you also saying to live a pious life like Howard's is preferable for everyone? Maybe so.

no.. no.. I'm not talking about heaven or hell I'm talking about *wisdom*..

we need that always.. even to play jokes or to question historic facts or values..

submission.. sexuality.. ethicy.. etc.. Can be argue with no problem..

Under bible's value we've been made as the same image of God.. The capacity to discuss/argue was inherited from God's character.. So, it is a good thing..

But, for instance, if I tell here that I saw on web that the sun is not a circle.. For sure, for those that study the sun, my point will sound as a great foolishness..