>I tested the timer and it's fine.
>the only code I have in the Timer.Timer event is thisform.release()
>the main prg calls the form: do form intro
>and the init for the form has all the properties set for the title bar to be off.
>the form is modeless, always on top, and set as top-level
>Cetin helped me out with a menu earlier and i can;t get it to load in the form, it always loads in the foxpro main window.
>
>I've pretty much exhausted all my limited knowledge and resources, thanks for the support
>
>Perry
Perry,

Ok, I don't know how helpful I can be because I NEVER use a top level form. If I want the top level form to look a certain way I change _screen to look that way. I have found that unless you really know what you are doing with forms outside of _screen you are better off using _screen as the top level form.

As to why the timer doesn't release the form for you in the app, it may be that something is stopping the timer event from firing like having focus outside of the app. Can you use the debugger to trace the code and see if, in fact, the timer ever fires?