>>>>No, all the beatings take place in extrordinarily renditioned states.
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>>>And these states are rendered... what?
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>>These states are rendered "friends" by virtue of their "assistance" yet are continued to be publicly touted as rogue/enemy states by official U.S. statesmen. Syria is a prime example. A Canadian was extraordinarily renditioned to Syria by the U.S. and after torture gained no information he was freed by the Syrians.
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>I've read over and over statements from several experienced investigators, and from various Gitmo related stories that information gained through torture is worthless. Unless one doesn't really care whether it's worth any, and just wants to show some results of any nature (true or not), or it's just about control freaks and people who enjoy torturing others.

Yes, but I think there's also something else in operation here.
The new modus operandi in U.S. intelligence circles (well, at least those tightly connected to the Administration) isn't just 'worst case scenario'.
It has evolved into something that equates to 'if there's nothing supporting even as an iota a DREAMED UP worst case scenario then the conclusion must be that the situation is far far worse than is even being imagined'.
So torture that provides some "information" - however worthless it may be - now has great value to those who wish to keep everyone on the threshhold of fear.


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>>Does "GWB" = 'go with brutality'?
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>Good one.