>>>IMHO, both these two laws are offending free speach right.
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>>>If someone is dumb enough to say/preach publicly that WW2 Holocaust did not happen, then he/she is already severely *punished*. No further action needs to be taken. Except maybe mandatory appointment with shrink.
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>>I disagree on this one. The countries that have a law that forbids people to deny the holocaust have a very good reason for that law. Sure, those who deny the holocaust are ridiculed by many of us, but not by all. Not all people have enough knowledge about the holocaust, either due to young age or due to a lack of interest. The law must prevent that these people start doubting the horrors of WWII. The effect could be devastating. I think freedom of speech is about freedom to express an opinion, not about a freedom to deny the real facts or introduce unreal 'facts'. It is not a right to lie.
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>Well, then we hv to agree to disagree.
>I think it is way outdated, and most of all - contraproductive.
>Young people learn about ww2 holocaust in schools, there are thousands of books written, 100s of movies made about it etc. Everybody on this planet knows about it. So why have law against denying it on top of all that ?

You mention schools, books and films. However, the internet is a medium with a lot of not-validated content. There are pages that twist the truth and look terribly professional. I remember a recent 'reprint' of the frontpage of a journal in WWII. I was astonished by the contents of the articles. For example, there were reports of rudeless slaughters by jews, but luckilly the Polizei had been able to arrest all these terrorists. It was only after reassurance that it became clear to me that the page was completely fake.

If even I initially tended to believe that 'information', then what about other, less politically involved people?! No, I prefer that governments do have at least some possibilities to cope with evil.


>I could agree any day on any law against free-proliferation of NeoNazie, radical religeous, rasistic parties/organisations/movements/materials.
>They are far more of a danger to our societies.
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>I don't know what 'devastating effects' you hv in mind, don't you think it is little of an overstatement ? And WHO are those people you are refrring to ?
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>One of *effects* of having it, is introduction of this 'Armenian' law, which can infact
>cause havoc/storm in EU<>Turkey relationship.
>Turkey drifting apart from EU, is far more dangerous to Jews as population, then some drunk quazy-intelectual loosing his mind at bar-closing hours, and saying *that*.