>>>I'll tell you what to do, try to hold this 1KG magnet at arms length for say 2 hours, you will soon find out how much work is being expended, you will probably drop it after about 20mins due to fatigue, there is a large flow of energy.
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>>Sure, you can waste energy this way. You might also conceive of something blowing an object up, using up energy.
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>So you are saying that there is entropy (wasted energy) when you hold the magnet, but none when it is attached by magnetic attraction to a perpendicular steel plate.
Exactly.
> Sorry you can't have one without the other.
You can't have what, without what?
>I ask once again, where does the energy come from that powers the magnetic clamping force.
You are confusing "energy" with "force". Those are two quite different concepts. No energy is required to maintain a constant force (if there is no movement).
The energy when applying a force can be calculated as follows: Energy = force x distance x cos(angle). So, to support a weight (100 N) that doesn't move, the energy you need is 100 N x 0 m x 1 = 0 J. Any energy expended beyond that is simply wasted energy. This is sure possible, for instance, if you use your muscles instead of a pillar.
Wasting energy is quite common in many areas. For instance, a light bulb converts 5% of the electrical energy into visible light; the remainder is converted into heat, which is usually useless.
>Ah, a force appied with no energy expended, this would be an over unity process, not possible in the current model.
What do you mean with "over unity"?
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