>>So you are saying that there is entropy (wasted energy) when you hold the magnet, but none when it is attached by magnetic attraction to a perpendicular steel plate.
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>Exactly.

Thank you Hilmar, you have now confirmed my observation of the error in the original post, that there can be entropy without an event horizon.

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>> Sorry you can't have one without the other.
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>You can't have what, without what?

What I say is this you can't have a situation where you have entropy when holding the magnet and none when the magnet is attached to the side of the plate. What is so special about you that you are the only object that can have entropy.

>You are confusing "energy" with "force". Those are two quite different concepts. No energy is required to maintain a constant force (if there is no movement).

As I said in the other post, apparently you are not aware of strain energy, both that caused by the clamping pressure of the magent and the extra mass of the magnet. Herein lies the inconsistency in the current model.

>Wasting energy is quite common in many areas.

Especially arguing with you.

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>>Ah, a force appied with no energy expended, this would be an over unity process, not possible in the current model.
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>What do you mean with "over unity"?

Google over unity, you may learn something.