I'm not using it myself, but it's my understanding that some are using the intersov - driver, which you can order from www.intersolv.com. I'm starting a client/server app that will use Oracle 8 as backend, so I'm finding this issue rather important. So far I've heard 6 different reasons to use 3 different drivers, and 2 reasons why NOT to use 2 of them. AAAAAHHHHHHH....... Let me know what you find out. Thanks.