>>>Besides, when you guys say, "It's cold out there - must be 20 degrees" it sounds daft.
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>>20 degrees, cold? That's still short sleeve t-shirt weather here!
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>You beat me to it. I had to break out the heavy winter jacket for the first time last week, the morning it was 8 degrees. Often I go all winter with a medium weight Lands End squall jacket.

Now, see, that's where it's confusing. You mean < -30 deg C, right? It's made harder cos we RARELY (if ever) get a temp. that low. To me that seems like arctic survival temperatures.

OTOH I hear that although it can be v cold in Russia, because the air is so dry you can wear just a t-shirt under a heavy coat and saty warm enough.
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>Not shirt sleeves, though. That's just for crazy Iowans ;-)