Hi Mike --

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>What, exactly, do you feel the original intent was?

Well, you'd really have to ask John.
<<

I have, but he's marvelous at avoiding issues, often completely side-stepping a direct question and going off on some long-winded tirade utterly irrelevent to the topic at hand.

>>But basically, I think the intent was to tell people to stop calling VB OOP, when from a purist standpoint, it's not.<<

Why is this so important to folks? What makes them threaten physical violence over this issue? And what's the point of being a purist if the majority of the world doesn't give a damn?

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>If something different, why do you suppose it failed so miserably, and really only cemented a lot of pre-existing perceptions?

I really don't want to get into this because I don't really have the time, energy, desire or interest, but since you asked.
<<

Sucker. <vbg>

>>1. Because it was in a VB forum and John and the others who went there were outnumbered.<<

That would've seemed to be the obvious outcome from the get-go, to a thinking individual, would it not?

>>2. It got reduced to name calling pretty quickly.<<

Actually, it *started* with name-calling. The very first message, and the follow-up to each (polite) response it generated. Definitely not MVP behavior. I'm ashamed to be associated with this sort of individual.

>>3. Because when the VB people were beaten on a point they just used more name calling and refused to respond to the issues.<<

Heh, that's funny, given that A) the antagonist started it, B) he never did make a valid point, and C) ultimately admitted he was wrong.

>>4. Mainly because the VB people really don't care.<<

Aha! Again, something that might've seemed obvious to anyone with a clue, eh? <bg>

>>They're using VB productively without it and have so many ways to work around it, that they don't feel it's an issue.<<

It's not an issue to, guessing here, at least 95% of VB users. Why should it be?

>>They also are so used to working around it, that they generally don't seem to understand what it is.<<

Pssst... Might want to watch the arrogance there. Very unbecoming.

Later... Karl