Maybe I misunderstand your point but IMO what John said was completely irrelevant. The number of Americans killed in car crashes has zero to do with the number of Americans killed by guns. John is a smart guy, I know that, but that was one of the worst arguments I have ever heard him make.


>And none of it is irrevelant.
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>>There is no correlation whatsoever. Saying we don't need to be concerned about shooting deaths in the U.S. because more people die on the highways or at the hands of the medical profession (whatever that means) makes about as much sense as comparing the number of gun deaths to the number of people who catch the flu every year in Asia. The second number is bigger but it's no excuse for trivializing the first number.
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>>I do listen to and consider views that are different from my own. If they are persuasive I even change my opinion every now and again. It just has to be on a rational basis.