>I think the VFP programmers have been spoiled rotten by the all-in-one environment for IDE, data and programming language and object model ease and depth.
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>I wouldn't say spoiled rotten. It's just what we've grown accustomed to from the early years and I think M$ hates that.

Maybe I should just speak for myself. I feel rotten every time I have to use something else besides VFP. A big part of this rotten feeling most certainly comes from the fact that after almost 30 years of xBase/Foxbase/VFP I'm way too comfortable with it. And biased, I guess...

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>That's not the "real world" where many other people live, where you need separate components for the various aspects of application building and deployment (e.g., database backends).
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>It's the "real world" for VFP developers and the "others" don't know how good it can be :)

But it is not the "real world", if you consider "reality" the domain of the majority (consider: "Wikipedia", the truth of/according to the masses). Ask any non-VFP developer, and they'll tell you VFP is a world of cheats and improprieties and loosy-goosy programming with way too easy gender changes (weakly typed characters, that is)... <g>