>>>>Take a look at the 2 church shootings in Colorado this weekend. This guy killed 2 people
>>>>at the first church, then drove to the second church and opened fired there and killed
>>>>another person. He was then shot & killed by a private, volunteer security gaurd.
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>>>>IT WAS ONLY BECAUSE ONE CITIZEN WAS ARMED WITH A GUN FOR DEFENSE THAT THIS GUY WAS STOPPED
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>>>>Had the citizen not had a gun, many more people would have died. All your facts & figures &
>>>>rantings and ravings cannot deny that a gun saved lived here.
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>>>THE GUNS DID KILL 4 PEOPLE.
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>>>I cannot believe the ignorance behind the reasoning the gun saved people lives. You tell that to your children at school when another kid got killed because of a gun.
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>>>>When private citizens are allowed to arm themselves for defense, lives are saved.
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>>>Sure and how do you explain the gun homocide rates to be 2 to 10 times as else where in the world ??????
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>>>Kevin, you might think you're right in your little corner of the world, but outside of that corner, it just does not make sense.
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>>>Now the case is closed.
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>>I think the point Kevin is trying to make is that if this crazy person was intent on killing 4 people, he would have not cared about gun laws. He would have got a gun, which would be easily available whether they are legal or illegal, and he would have killed those 3 people, plus maybe some more because nobody would have been able to effectively stop him.
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>This is EXACTLY my point. Without the security gaurd, more people would have died. Therefore the
>presence of a gun for self defense was justified.

My point is that the nutcase probably never would have walked in with a gun... if the US had a strict gun control as up here and therefore people never died of it. A simular case happened here as well. But since the offender did not have a gun, he used a knife. Far less deadly.

Don't forget that nutcases seldomly are harndened criminals. They don't have easy access to a gun up here. This is why those events occur less frequent up here. In the german case where a schoolbuy killed many people the kid had access to a gun in the house. If that were not the case, this never would have happened.

The same would apply to that nully korean student that killed several people in the US. Now tell me why these kind of events are so frequent in the US ??