>>>>I'm pretty sure Nicholas and I are in similar places on this, which is that kids earn increased trust as they get older. The problems with watching over a kid too closely are that a) they don't develop their own judgment; and b) it can lead to sneakiness.
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>>>Hey, let's split some hairs. Some kids lose your trust, as they grow older, and spin their way toward prison....
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>>Is everything starting to look like a nail, John? ;-) I thought this was a discussion between involved parents about parenting approaches. It would surprise me if any of the participants is worried about their kids going to prison.
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>Not at all. I see many screws.... Just making the point, that there IS a dark side. Not everyone has a child who is destined to become a PhD, hence the criminal population.

Sure, but serious question, John. You've surely dealt with more criminals than anyone else here. What percent of them would you say had caring, involved parents, who would have even participated in a discussion like this one?

Tamar