>>Where did you get that one from ?? This is not what we experience here.
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>Danish cartoonists, French police who have to deal with car burnings in les banlieues, Theo VanGogh, victims of bombings in Madrid and London etc may not think i am hallucinating.

The question was about the immigration policy, the above have nothing to do with it.
1. Danish cartoonists. Muslims all over the world were insulted by the cartoons. Note not all muslims, but of course that will be enphasized. Relatively small groups or a few countries, could easily give you that impression, I'd say you're misguided. This has nothing to do with immigration.

French riots as happened two years ago. Most of those "Immigrant" had a french passport as they were born in a french colony. I don't even know what religion they had, but it was about the treatment of their ethnic group and the desperate economical situation they re in. Further you'll have to be aware that the french culture is full of strikes, demostration, revolutions and riots like this. Through history it would not even enter the top5.

>Are you saying unassimilated populations from countries that have very different ideas of the role of the individual in a secular society are not a problem for European society today, that their reproductive rate and the negative birthrate of native Europeans and very little control over immigration doesn't create a problem - especially in what are essentially welfare states? And that this problem isn't increasing at a geometric rate?

For every question you ask in this respect, you should ask yourself the question "How do asians immigrants do". It is too easy to focus with full of assumptions. Don't you think we are trying a whole list of ideas to make this happen? And I disagree with you on not having control on immigration. It has been harder and harder to get into europe that last decade. OTOH, like the US, we need immigration to keep out economy growing (why do you think the US immigration policy is the way it is ?).


Or are you claiming that permitting the influx of non-Europeans into Europe is not driven by the desire of European capitalists for cheap labor?

Yes I am. The cheap labor force from outside of the EU is not able to get in (without a working permit) and therefore is not able to get a recognised job. If you seek asylum for whatever reason, pray that you don't have to get back. It can take many years before you reach a status that you're allowed to work in the first place.

Working permits in the past have been issued to polish here in the netherlands to help in agriculture because there is no living soul in the Netherlands who wants to do this work (I'm living in the middle of such area and have a lot of personal experience with this). Now the poland is part of the EU, they don't need a working permit anymore. So you'll find them accross the continent and the UK (they generally are hard working people).

I'm not up to date with issueing working permits (temporarily) in other countries, but the reason this is done is because the is no workforce within the country doing that, not because of cheap labour force: It is not those governments who are paying their salaries.

>I certainly know a lot of Britains and Europeans who share this view.

Well then I'd like to hear those stories, because I can't find myself in that. It seems to me, you have drawn a conclusion or both an outdated and incomplete picture.