Why should we be forced to pay for anyone else's lack of discipline?Why should they be forced to labor in minimum labor jobs or moulder on the dole so that you can have a better standard of living?
Both statements are loaded with preconceptions. Neither is useful in debate.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us."
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
