>Why should we be forced to pay for anyone else's lack of discipline?
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>Why should they be forced to labor in minimum labor jobs or moulder on the dole so that you can have a better standard of living?
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>Both statements are loaded with preconceptions. Neither is useful in debate.

No they are not.

We're not asking them to do anything or give anything to us.

They are FORCING us to give money to them.