>>>>I thought we were in agreement that it isn't right to hold people for years without charges or trial. Try 'em or kick 'em loose. The only difference between this and what Stalin or Saddam Hussein would have done is they would have simply executed the prisoners by now. Is that really the company we want to keep?
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>>>>Notice I am not addressing whether they are guilty or innocent. I imagine most of them were taken into custody for good reason. So try them already.
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>>>Under what legal system? Presumption of innocence, Miranda warning, chain-of-evidence, full disclosure to the defense?
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>>>If it were that easy, it would have been done by now, if only for convenience and to make room for more.
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>>When will people get it that these are enemy combatants, not suspects? A third of these detainees are classified as too dangerous to release, even though there is not enough evidence to prosecute. Personally, if they are that dangerous, I would drop them off in the middle of the ocean and let them swim to any country they want. . . .
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>Yeah, we're pretty much on the same page on that one. If they were a legitimate green-light with a red-dot on them I would think their welfare isn't the top priority..l
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>Hey, question for you while I have you here : watching TV for the last couple years I see everybody with a pistol going out of their way to hold the trigger finger outside the trigger guard - even when pointing at somebody armed and threatening immediate fire! I even see criminals holding it that way. I get that in uncertain situations you don't want accidental discharge, and maybe I'm freaked because I have really long fingers and just getting my finger inside the guard could be a project, but has training really changed so much? ( I'm so old nobody ever mentioned to me I might not want to have my finger in a good-to-go position from the minute I decided there was a chance I might want something to come out of the end with a hole in it.) . Best case, jerky motion getting finger in place, Worst case, never getting a chance to get finger where it might do some good. Seems that in the real world this would be a recipe for getting dead.
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>(the analogy with legal rights for terrorists kind of reminded me of this)

PMJI, I wasn't trained that way, however, I was not in law enforcement and that was years and years and years ago. Back in '90, I spent time in a latin american country with some reserve officers who were taught to index on the the frame of the weapon until the decision to fire was made.

Of course, at the time, even we followed different procedure than the 'official' method in some cases. The first time in the field you were told by the senior person more or less: 'under normal circumstances and anyplace else follow procedure to the letter, however here, we do it this way...'