Barbara:
1. grid refresh after add child record. I haven't found that to be a hassle.
2. I've stopped using my grids to EDIT records so there are only textboxes in 'em now. And my life is _much_ improved :-)
3. My parent add button adds only a parent. The grid handles adding a child. Pretty simple actually, just a click on a blank line.
4. each pageframe (if there are any) has it's own command bar, so it narrows its, um, ownership.

>Nope, only the "append a new record and fill in the needed keys" portion is a snap with INSERT INTO. All the remaining part - getting the grid to refresh correctly, handling combos and other non-textbox controls, making sure the ADD button knows whether you're adding a new child record from the grid or adding a new parent record from the remainder of the form (no pageframes for this client) etc. - are STILL a real hassle :-)