>>When you're overdrawn the banks stiffs you with extra charges for being overdrawn. When you've got this infection you can't get the downloads you need!!!
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>>So I'm kept away from AVG, Windows, et al, updates. The evidence is certainly pointing to this type of infection, preventing its own cure. Damn! I guess I'll have to get the files on a stick from another puter.
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>>Seems a good call, Sergey.
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>>BTW, when I check for windows updates, via Windows defender, i get 0x80190194 error "The program can't check for ... updates".
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>>>See if 'Open different internet places' Thread #1377595 Message #1377627 can help.
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>>>>Doesn't it just! And not helped by the fact that I can't update to prevent such happening
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>>>>>It sounds like your computer is infected with some kind of malware that prevents access to antivirus web sites.
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>If you need anything, we can connect using messenger and I'll send the file to you.

Thanks, Grady. But I don't know what I need ... or what you've got :-)