>>>When you're overdrawn the banks stiffs you with extra charges for being overdrawn. When you've got this infection you can't get the downloads you need!!!
>>>
>>>So I'm kept away from AVG, Windows, et al, updates. The evidence is certainly pointing to this type of infection, preventing its own cure. Damn! I guess I'll have to get the files on a stick from another puter.
>>>
>>>Seems a good call, Sergey.
>>>
>>>BTW, when I check for windows updates, via Windows defender, i get 0x80190194 error "The program can't check for ... updates".
>>>
>>>>See if 'Open different internet places' Thread #1377595 Message #1377627 can help.
>>>>
>>>>>Doesn't it just! And not helped by the fact that I can't update to prevent such happening
>>>>>
>>>>>>It sounds like your computer is infected with some kind of malware that prevents access to antivirus web sites.
>>>>>>
>>If you need anything, we can connect using messenger and I'll send the file to you.
>
>Thanks, Grady. But I don't know what I need ... or what you've got :-)

Roger that.