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24/04/2009 14:17:07
 
 
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24/04/2009 12:11:36
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Finances
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Budget
Title:
Miscellaneous
Thread ID:
01393480
Message ID:
01396295
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>>>I'd recommend that you examine the history of your adopted country for examples of absolute "freedom" leading to banditry and lawlessness. When that happened, 100% of towns sought, welcomed and applauded enforcement of law. QED.
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>>I suspect that any time you hear the word 'freedom', it immediately evokes to you images of crazy-eyed people shooting their neighbours. I would recommend that you examine the history of your world. You may find some different examples of the freedom.
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>Lately, the term 'freedom' seems to have been hijacked by special interest groups to denote exactly what you wrote. However, I don't think that is the case (in general) here on the UT (although I've seen it used that way in isolated cases in previous messages in the chatter section) and definitely not for John (sorry if I misspoke John). It's my understanding that he spends quite a bit of time here in the U.S.

Let's decide that I replied to that isolated case hijacked by the special interest groups. Specifically, I saw on numerous occasions when the person you mention evoked 'anarchy' argument when confronted with questions about freedom. Getting more general, this opinion does not leave room between totally generous and beneficial government control and total anarchy; i.e. anything and/or anyone showing ingratitude to ever-improving government is a clear threat to neighbors (re: shooting) and must be isolated for the sake of 'greater good'. Frankly, I don't see much difference between these ideas and well-known historical example (usually, hidden behind conveniently phrased euphemism "nazi germany"), realistically assuming that characters represented that regime described themselves in civilized and nice-looking expressions.
Saying it simplistically, there is just one freedom, individual rights that cannot be infringed for the sake of "common good". Just for those thinking about guns again: these rights are economic freedom to own property and economic freedom to earn money and keep them, and also bunch of political rights designed to preserve these economic freedoms. When freedom is announced to become subservient to "greater good" then next transformation, that freedom means anarchy, i.e. it is dangerous, comes easy. I already mentioned what comes next.
Edward Pikman
Independent Consultant
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