>>>>>"health care is NOT a right"
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>>>>>that marks you as a savage Kevin. You want to live a "devil take the hindmost" society .
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>>>>Health care cannot be a right for the simple fact that care is provided by people. If one has a "right" to care then one has a right to service from another person. You cannot resolve the civil rights of the provider with the right to care of the patient.
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>>>We co-operate and live in a society for some benefit.
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>>No one is arguing otherwise.
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>>>I call Kevin a savage not in a derogatory way
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>>How do the kids say it...oh puh-leese!
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>>>but to mark the fact that he doesn't believe in society and , I suppose, neither do you.
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>>I believe one's labor and its fruits belong to the individual, not the community and not the State. Thus, I believe in a free society. I suppose you do not.
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>That's pretty Darwinian -- the more capable can keep everything they make and the rest can go hang. I agree with Nick that a civilized society should not operate on that basis.

We do not live in "should" land. We live in a country of laws and this is a question of freedom and are we going to have any. If so, one must allow citizens to make decisions with which we disagree. If we're to be free property rights, must be preserved because without them other rights are meaningless. We are already dangerously close to forced labor with the current laws regarding mandatory care in emergency rooms. I do not believe we've overstepped the line yet as the requirement is limited to emergency rooms and no one is forced to work there. However, should we mandate medical care to all, while dictating compensation for the provider, we will have further damaged our right to private property, namely our own labor and its fruit.