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We don't live in a democracy. If we did, the obvious majority would simply vote no and be done with it.>
>Democracy hasn't worked that way since industrialization began. All modern national democracies rely on representatives who declare planks or goals to allow citizens to exert their will and establish mandate. Shouting, yelling and threatening is vivid but better described as free speech than a necessary component of government.
I suppose when those representatives declare planks and goals to get elected and then fail to follow through, we are to merely sit back and wait for the next election cycle for them to lie to us again, like good little children. Tell it to Cindy, I'm sure she'd agree.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.6e2dd44ecce699b290fad3cf2353a6ce.01&show_article=1>
Since we live in a representative republic, and our representatives are openly telling us they do not care what we think, we must make ourselves clear.>
>That is called "begging the question." The second premise is a mighty leap that you will struggle to substantiate except by more fallacies.
Where is the fallacy?
Quoting Rep Messa "I will vote adamantly against the interests of my district if I actually think what I am doing is going to be helpful."
http://www.washingtontimes.com/weblogs/watercooler/2009/aug/16/video-rep-massa-i-will-vote-against-interests-my-d/>
If you vote for this, we will throw you, your president and your party from your elitist perch, you arrogant, leftist, drunk with power crackpots.>
>Very "vivid" but the best way in real life to achieve that for sure is to stand against the incumbent and offer your own planks that appeal to more people than the incumbent's. Then you'd get your chance to show how easy it really is.
Speaking of fallacies, how about we stop with the canard that there's no other plan.
http://www.house.gov/ryan/PCA/PCAsummary15p.pdfhttp://demint.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fuseaction=SponsoredBills.HealthCareFreedomActhttp://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GOPHealthPlan_061709.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBodyDo you not consider the political events of this summer in the US to have mattered? The debate has been completely altered and a super-majority of a single-party has been slowed at a minimum from rushing through a massive regulatory overhaul. I'd say we're in the process of achieving what we wanted, and we've accomplished it by writing, emailing, calling and showing up to meetings with our representatives and making it very clear how much we disapprove of this legislative undertaking. One could say the system is working. Unless, of course, one believes that the people getting what they want is un-American. ;)
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