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Three Reasons Why Government Can't Run Health Care
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27/08/2009 17:07:45
John Ryan
Captain-Cooker Appreciation Society
Taumata Whakatangi ..., Nouvelle Zélande
 
 
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Tell it to Cindy, I'm sure she'd agree.

If she wants to pitch a tent and protest, it's a free country. But you'd have to question why she doesn't actually stand herself rather than turning up at a media center in Martha's Vineyard claiming she is there as a war protest.

Where is the fallacy? Quoting Rep Messa "I will vote adamantly against the interests of my district if I actually think what I am doing is going to be helpful."

You said "our representatives are openly telling us they do not care what we think." Where is she saying that she doesn't care what constituents think? She cares enough that she is telling them explicitly of her intentions so they can vote her out if they don't like it.

Speaking of fallacies, how about we stop with the canard that there's no other plan.

AFAICS nobody here said there is no other plan, except you right now.

Do you not consider the political events of this summer in the US to have mattered? The debate has been completely altered and a super-majority of a single-party has been slowed at a minimum from rushing through a massive regulatory overhaul. I'd say we're in the process of achieving what we wanted, and we've accomplished it by writing, emailing, calling and showing up to meetings with our representatives and making it very clear how much we disapprove of this legislative undertaking. One could say the system is working. Unless, of course, one believes that the people getting what they want is un-American. ;)

AFAICS nobody has expressed those sorts of sentiments, except you right now.

But you need to make up your mind: either representatives don't care what constituents think. in which case town hall meetings must be a waste of time, or representatives do care what constituents think, in which case your justification for the hollering falls apart. Either way it's a fallacy.
"... They ne'er cared for us
yet: suffer us to famish, and their store-houses
crammed with grain; make edicts for usury, to
support usurers; repeal daily any wholesome act
established against the rich, and provide more
piercing statutes daily, to chain up and restrain
the poor. If the wars eat us not up, they will; and
there's all the love they bear us.
"
-- Shakespeare: Coriolanus, Act 1, scene 1
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