>>>>>>Luckily, it's all in the past now, well, most of it.
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>>>>>Eh... I beg to differ. Most of what you describe here still is there in the Netherlands, though in less quantity. We don't get a year off, but arround 16 weeks arround the birth of a child. Daycare is partly funded by the government and affordable for most up here. We have something called kinderbijslag, which is a fund from which you receive some money every month to grow up your kids. It is not much, but just enough to make a difference to the poor. We also have the 'patronage nurse' over here, that would visit the new member of the family once or twice. And then we visit her regulary at her place to check out whether the child is developping normally until the age of 4 (i think).
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>>>>Just wait until the West enforces democracy on you.
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>>>Or capitalism... LOL
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>>Or behavior control...oh wait.
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>>- daycare is partly funded by fellow taxpayers
>>- kinderbijslag - which is a fund from which you receive some money funded by fellow taxpayers
>>- "patronage nurse"
>>- check out whether the child is developping normally
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>>Nope, I certainly don't see any issues here at all. Just look at all that freedom. ;)
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>Freedom is just another word for "Nothing left to lose". Americans are obsessed with he word freedom, while in fact they've lost their freedom to the corporate world a long, long time ago.

While we've definitely been losing freedom since our inception and accelerating through the last 4 decades, to suggest that it's "lost" is just silly.

>In reality, you can only be truly free if you live outside the current society and do whatever you want.

Which we can. Have a look at the 2009 World Series of Poker Runner up for a good example.

>But what happens if you need this same society when you really need it?

When exactly do you "really need it?" I've gone through this discussion before and have determined that there is a huge disparity of opinion about self sustaining lifestyles between urban and rural dwellers. I was raised to take care of myself and my family without modern convieniences. If the world gets hit with a galactic EMP tomorrow and we live through it I have no doubt I'll be able to survive.

>Nope... Freedom is definately an over valued word. It does not mean what many americans are indoctrinated with by the corporate world.

Freedom is definitely an undervalued concept. Especially for euro-socialists who can't give it up fast enough while living under the protection of those indoctrinated Americans.