>Maybe I did fall in a trap, then.
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>I am in no way qualified to discredit the thermo, basic or otherwise. I am not a scientist. When most scientists seem to be on one side of an issue, that gets my attention.
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>I have a strong suspicion you are a scientist in one way or another. For this reason I always read your posts, even when they seem to contradict what I thought was agreed upon.
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>Mike, your key word here is "what I thought'. You need to check your premises. What you've said up here on the topic can hardly be described as any type of critical thinking.
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>I've said some of the same things that Neil has said (and we've also said different things) - and both challenge your vague claims of "virtually all scientists, most scientists, etc.". You call me a denalist, despite everything I provided (that you probably ignored/dismissed without so much as a peek), and yet you coo apologetically at someone else. Your illogical biases and prejudices are showing, and I think everyone can see it.

It's not illogical at all. Neil speaks like a scientist. You speak like a provocateur who thinks a few links from like-minded folks proves a damn thing. You are always ready to credit yourself with 150% of what you know about any given topic. Big difference.

Unlike you, I do not claim expertise on things beyond my knowledge. I'm smart enough to know what I don't know. I also know how to read, and what I have read for years is that most scientists who have studied it believe global warming is real. A signature list of 700 doubters doesn't impress me very much.

By pure happenstance, last night at bedtime I grabbed the top New Yorker on the stack and came across this piece by Elizabeth Kolbert which eerily summarized my opinion. (Including the criticism of President Obama for moving forward on environmental issues with one hand and opening up the coastline to drilling with the other). She is IMO a very good reporter and is their go-to reporter on environmental matters.

http://www.newyorker.com/talk/comment/2010/04/12/100412taco_talk_kolbert