>>>>Your bar-room analogy is proof that this debate is likely pointless.
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>>>>My question to you was why you chose to condemn the United States for the war against Islamic terrorism, but you've never condemned your own country for expanding attacks on Germany (to cities like Mannheim) that surely resulted in killing innocent German citizens and children. It is a rhetorical question that illustrates the complexity of fighting an enemy that is not associated with a specific nation-state...as well as a question that demonstrates your inconsistency...but I was still curious to hear your answer.
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>>>Because bombing the enemy in war was an effective tool. The US was on terror is misjudged, badly aimed, using vast resources and ineffective. Is the world a safer place than it was. Short answer . No
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>>>The war on terror is a propaganda sop to the intellectually challenged who watch,listen to and read Fox news and believe it. Who think that complex problems are made better by randomly shooting and blowing up things.
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>>Emphasis mine. That is just plain inaccurate and insulting. I don't know anyone who believes that and I know a lot of folks who watch Fox news. BTW, I don't think the war on terror even exists anymore. Obama nipped that right off the bat. Do you know a single person yourself who believes what you wrote?
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>Tracy/Kevin, this is called figurative speech. It is hard to believe you are incapable of reading between these (rather simple) lines.
>Debating it word for word does not make any sense. What Nick says is nothing out of ordinary. If you 'decode' it, It is opinion shared by many many people. (War being totally inaproppriate/ineffective)
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>Fox-News in itself became almost metaphor for completely twisted and sometime plain crazy war-mongering mindset
>which was almost prevalent in years following 9/11.
>Sad thing is that many people bought into it. If Fox-News was watched and that opinion set followed by 1-2% of population
>that would be say understandable. Anything above that is worrying/dangerous situation.
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>Watch first 10 minutes of this video, and before your mind slips into knee-jerk reaction towards debunking yet another conspiracy theory of mine {g}, try to focus only on media/politicians handling of 9/11 events.
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek7ZHenQnu4
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>(Can't help myself {g})
>Whatever happened to those multistorey deep (yet undetectable!) underground Al-Qaeda bunkers that Rumsfeld was talking about ?
>(Rumsfeld: It is not one! It is MANY OF THOSE !!! )
>Well... where are they ??? They must be in Iraq then, all together with Saddam's WMDs {g}
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>Irony aside;
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>It has been what... 9 years now that US/UK invaded Afganistan. What is the actual result besides millions of dead/displaced ?
>(+ US being nearly bankrupt) . Original article/thread title comes to mind as well.
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>Is anybody in the world safer as result of this ?

The video was 9:41 so I couldn't watch the first 10 minutes :o)

While I agree that media will grab onto any info it can get - even if just rumors - I have to wonder at your ability to believe this video. It does appear to me that you believe the same propaganda that comes from the media - only from different sources. I cannot tell you how, but I KNOW Al Qaeda exists (as do many other groups with the same or similar or even worse goals) so to me it is just another form of propaganda. I did watch the entire video though. As to Osama Bin Laden himself, he is a monster that the U.S. used when it suit the U.S. and now is paying the price for it. If you want some really interesting information, look at the Clinton administration and Osama Bin Laden. Regardless, whether you call one group Al Qaeda or pin down each group (who at times work together when it suits their purpose) by each of their individual names, it doesn't change the fact that terrorism exists and the western world is its victim today. Was Al Qaeda responsible for 9-11 or any of the terrorist acts? If not who was? If you believe that the U.S. is behind all of it, then you a victim of propaganda yourself. The truth is probably more scary than either of us can imagine.

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