Yes..actually having come back to UT, negotiating was a breeze again. I agree about the threads starting from the original date..brings more clarity to the subject, immediately. Replying to a thread on UT is slightly difficult, because there is no reference to the thread handy, and the reply opens on a clean slate. This might be particularly difficult while referencing code. Otherwise, the consistency and clarity of UT, which, I must say, in an ever-changing information world, has stood the test of time requires applauds. Reflects the futuristic planning of the original designers in the first place. I also agree that Foxite is more VFP specific.