>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm just asking to native americans (except TC Holzer), what's wrong with that map?
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>>>>>>>>>>>>http://i.milliyet.com.tr/YeniAnaResim/2011/02/01/cehaletin-bu-kadari--1123445.Jpeg
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>>>>>>>>>>>I looked at it anyway just to see what it was all about :o) Sad but hilarious too! :o)
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>>>>>>>>>>Does this mean Obama got all our troops out of Iraq? <s>
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>>>>>>>>>Hayir, Obama ortadoguda taslari yerinden oynatmayi basardi gercekten. Misir'la Irak'in yerlerini degistirdi. manasi bu... :)))
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>>>>>>>>Easy for you to say!
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>>>>>>>You're trying to show others like you know turkish, But you don't know. Your sentence is unrelative... :))
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>>>>>>You know, he is joking. We say "Easy for you to say" (idiom) when someone says something very hard or complicated that we could not understand or say ourselves. :-) sasurtmaca gibi.
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>>>>>I thougt he did a joke too. But, different... Konuyu anlamis gibi yapip rastgele birseyler soyledigini dusundum. Bunun bir deyim oldugunu bilmiyordum. Yani saka oldugunu anlamisim ama baska turlu bir saka sanmisim. Insallah bunun da ingilizcesini sormazlar. Ingilizcede basit cumleler kolay ama karisik cumlelerde zorlaniyorum. Malesef su ingilizce kursu meselesini cok ihmal ediyorum. Gidecem, gidecem... Evde ilgi bekleyen iki tane cocuk ve hanim olunca zor... Keske zamaninda yapilan teklifi kabul edip 3-5 sene amerikada calissaydim o zaman bu ingilizce meselesini kokten cozerdim... :(
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>>>>Haklisin. Amerika'da oturup calismagin firsatin olsayda , cok daha kolay olurdu. Turkiye'de oturdugum zaman, kolayca konusabilirdim, fakat her gun dili kulanilmazsa, cok zor dur. Ben de karisik cumlelerda zorlaniyorm. Turkcenin grameri 'den Ingilizcenin grameri cok farkli. ( Duyundum ki Almanca biraz daha Turkce gibi.) Insallah gelecekte buraya calisicak firsatin olacak. ( ve ben de Turkiye'de daha calisabilicagim ! )
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>>>I couldn't have said it better myself.
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>><g> Neither could I, unfortunately. My Turkish has gotten very rusty. It was my first real 'immersion' language - learned originally over 40 years ago - and there were a couple after that that were wildly different ( Thai, Lao, Bahasa etc. ). In those places kept using Turkish words when I was scrambling in a conversation. Later I went back to Turkey and would blurt out sentences with Thai words thrown in that would leave the Turks really scratching their heads. <s>
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>I take my hat off to you for learing another (non-english) language. It takes a life-time. I have been learning spanish for 20+ years and still get very nervious when speaking to natives. And of course I make a lot of mistakes. I can imagine that Turkish is not an easy language to learn. At least to me any language that does not use a latin alphabet is Greek :).

Thanks to the brilliance of Kemal Ataturk, Turkish uses a perfectly phonetic Latin alphabet. As easy as Spanish to learn to read out loud (even if you don't have a clue what you are saying.) Gives Turks a real advantage in computer work over those who use an Arabic alphabet. Pronunciation not at all difficult. ( providing you can do umlauts <g> ) Grammar is another matter. For example, verb conjugation etc all done with suffixes. Our teachers used to tell us the longest word in Turkish was Cekoslovakyalilastiramadiklaramizdanmidirlar? which means "Aren't there some of those we could convert into Czechoslovians?" Kind of gives you the idea <g> I don't know German but I am told they don't find the concepts as difficult as Americans do.

At least with Spanish you can spit out words in pretty much the same order as English and even if you blow a tense or gender you'll get the idea across. In Turkish it wouldn't even be vaguely comprehensible.

( of course my wife was convinced you could make any English word Spanish by putting an o on the end, so in Spain she would express appreciation of something "cool" with "cool-o" <bg> Got a lot of strange looks. )

I may have you mixed up with someone else, but was your first language English or is English one that *you* learned by total immersion? I've always been in awe of guys like Dragan who are so fluent in English they can appreciate subtleties and puns that even native speakers find challenging. My roommate in college ( a Turk ) was that way with English. Won creative writing contests - in English. ( went on to do rather well at Stanford etc )