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24/09/2012 14:49:05
 
 
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Visual FoxPro
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lemme try...
>
>I am interested in few things regarding Lianja;
>
>A)
>My entire framework and all applications in production revolve around business objects written as classes
>based on Session base object (introduced in VFP6/sp3 and overlooked by many people )
>Will Lianja have something like session object ? If they did not do it yet please try to talk them into it :)
>Since they seem to be responsive to community input I certainly hope they can come with something like this.

from the docs, no. OTOH, _Screen.Caption works and is also not in the docs....
(Chin fell a bit when that particular vfp mode of operation worked after scanning the docs for a Lianja way...)
Hop on over, download the stable beta (fast 86MB DL,
easy install already done a couple of times breaking nothing else here)
test and file an enhancement request or vfp compatibility ticket.

I ran across Chartran() working differently in Refresh 8, wrote a couple of lines
why Chartran() working bytewise and fast is important for data cleaning and needed -
it is implemented in the vfp way in the Refresh 9 I am currently testing.
Similar with couple of bugs I found. And there are bugs - enhancing the compiler
to allow vfp syntax and capabilities opened some holes. Find and let them fix those ;-)

They ARE responsive, but they need the community to point out the benefits
if you/they want to bump it up the fix-it-time ladder, as getting mobile clients ready
IMO is the greater lure for future Lianja users. Speaking purely for myself,
I will NOT try to talk them into implementing a specific feature unless I personally want it.
And I think about what I want / need soonest always before writing -
they don't have unlimited resources, even if they are responsive.

Your english is good enough - try it out and make your wishes known.
They answer in much more detail than the best contacts with vfp developer team I ever had -
both from technical and biz POV. But yes, it is not as large as MS, so please adapt to that
from your side as well. USE the chance to influence something yourself, don't be just a customer.

Voicing only wishes (perhaps not even checking the software to see if it fits your needs)
when not really contemplating to be a paying customer would be a disservice to them.
(Hope I don't come on to strongly - I am somewhat miffed at the recline chair attitude of some
of the developers, nothing aimed at you personally...)
Spending time with that SW will not generate income now -
but if I classify it under the topic of learning it does not phaze me.
It is fun - I am wierd, I know ;-)

>
>B)
>Will they support local cursors like we have it in VFP ?

Yes. from my POV perhaps most important caveat:
Currently tables/cursors are direct or recordbuffered, not tablebuffered.
In conjunction with mobile clients this behaviour will be looked at again:
Perhaps replication enters the picture, which would be even better IMO.

Update: yes, thes are adding in that area a lot, and the thoughts behind those concepts are elegant.
Concentrating on nad enhancing Cursoradapters for instance is a benefit./update
>
>C)
>What will be the pricing on that high performance database you were mentioning here.
>(If that gets to be reasonable for a SMEs it would be a great deciding point for many)

Price Upgrade Annual Subscription
US$1295 US$695 US$1595

They plan to offer an ISV mode where you can host all your clients with one subscription -
but prices and terms are still somewhat in flux. Currently I look for the capabilites of the stuff
and will worry later on prices.

It is easy to say "my customers cannot bear this" arguing from previous biz model influenced by vfp cost structure
but please try to get a feel for the new opportunities this stuff offers you in simple packages
before trying to lower the price just to get vfp comparable economics. Sadly, vfp economics failed at MS side.

It has not all vfp bells yet, but has already a couple of other bells much larger which already can play together.
I see it as a vfp similar embedded engine including record navigation and SQL
coupled with a framework spanning multiple OS and devices - something you would need to shell out
for different products and perhaps a DB engine as well, unless using PostGreSQL.

Jump in, play with it - I do it mostly at the biz/db level, others at GUI -
but give it the same chances you gave vfp when it steered away from known FP ways.

regards

thomas
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