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09/05/2013 13:09:31
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>>I believe organized religion is nothing else than "faith which is misused and misdirected
>>by politics" and is causing so much evil in this world.
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>Well, this is the "Chatter -> Religion" area, so I'll respond accordingly.


It's nice that there is a religion area in chatter, but "Religion" is a term that is used for different things, and can be used differently depending of context. For most people "religion" is an umbrella term for anything that is faith-related. In a more strictly sense religion means something that we would call today "superstition", but also religion can mean the organization of a religious and political system. Since I referred to religion in the latter sense I call it "organized religion", because any other form of religion would be more of a personal faith issue.


>There is evil in this world because of sin. Period. Sin causes men to do wrong things, incorrect things, harmful things. And there is a powerful enemy, a spirit, Satan, who is leading the entire world astray along with many fallen angels who are causing everything to be misued, not used according to God's plans.
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>>It is interesting to note that the Bible does not see the government as the enemy, but religion
>>itself.
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>The Bible sees sin as the enemy. Period. Those who are the enemies of God embrace sin instead of following God's guidance, God's instruction, God's perfect will purposefully with their lives, instead pursuing their own personal wants, even denying God's righteousness and encouraging and enticing others to do the same.


I think there is nothing wrong to say that "sin is the enemy" technically, but I feel this is too vague and from a more practial standpoint you would have to say that sin is the result of evil, and not the opposite.
If you look at the way how Jesus (and most of the prophets before that) have deal with sinners, he was very compassionate, patient and loving dealing with those people. Although he did try to teach them and also critizied their sins, he did not as much attack them personally, although they were sinners. On the other hand, dealing with the pharisees, which represented the organized reltious group in those days, his dealing was completely the opposite. He did not even try to teach them anything, and he just opposed them vehemently and criticized especially their self righteousness. So we have two groups of sinners, and two different responses towards those two groups. So I tried to refer to this difference when I say that the enemy is organized religion.

In the end it was not "sin" (if you can use this word as an impersonated being) that crucified Christ, but rather the religious groups of that day that were the masterminds of the crucifixion. And we can see their method by using the political resources of that day (the Roman government). But still the main culprit were the pharisees, and if there would be a worldly judgement regarding this crime, the pharisees would get life in prison or the death sentence for first degree murder while Rome would get only 10 years in prison.


>Will God send some people to Hell forever? Really? A loving God? Yes. Absolutely He will. He will do this because of who He is. He is literal truth and everything everywhere is made perfect by the way He's set it up and is directing it. But because people reject God, everything about Him, and look to their own paths, thereby remaining at war with God throughout the entirety of their lives, God will put them away forever.
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>We have to remember that we were made in the image of God, in His likeness. This is no trifle. Not even the angels were made as we were. And He did not spare the angels, and He will not spare us. But He has made a way out of this end for all who will receive it. It is His Son, His own sacrifice at the cross, His death which paid the price of all our sins once and for all. It is a gift He extends to all who will receive it, because He doesn't want any of us to go there ... yet He knows that it is by our own choosing every day that we choose to go there. Everybody knows God truly exists, knows that Jesus is truly God, the Savior, and they deny Him outwardly, even while inwardly knowing the truth.
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>God is who God is. He cannot be denied. And He makes Himself known to everybody everywhere, in every language, at every place on the Earth, in every circumstance, without exception. He is God Almighty, and this is the way He has outlined, His way, His mission, His goal, to save all who will be saved.
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>>Especially in the book of revelation it is made clear that the biggest threat is the religious
>>system, which there is being called "Mystery Babylon", and this religious system is subduing
>>the goverments for its evil purpose.
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>It is sin that is cited continually throughout the book of Revelation. Jesus speaks to the churches warning them about not doing what God has commanded, i.e. engaging in sin. He warns that all people everywhere should repent, and cites that in the very end times none do. That there will be a blindness over people's eyes that because of their lust for sin God gave them over to depravity, that they cannot know the truth.
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>The "religion" you talk about is the practiced rituals of the members a a world-wide decadent society that does not look to God, will not look to God, and ultimately cannot look to God in the end times. They are people marching blindly, unknowingly, fully, headlong to their own destruction.
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>>(Only people don't read the Bible and therefore have no clue about these things.)
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>And many people who read the Bible also have no clue about these things, because they aren't seeking to know the truth about what it says, but are going in with an agenda looking for confirmation of their prior beliefs.


There are many religious people in this world, but that does not mean that they are looking for God. In that I fully agree with you. Too bad that when you try to talk about faith issues on a more personal level, those problems that are caused by some religious people and organizations backfire and people would judge someone because of some bad experience they had at another time because of this.
Christian Isberner
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