I would have to disagree with you on the bus driver stepping in. He was, what, early 60's (?) and probably wasn't in shape to handle 3 15/17 year old kids. If he'd grabbed one of them, the other two probably would have turned on him. And if he HAD - that would have opened the school and the school district to all kinds of lawsuits, etc

>I've been waiting for Mike B to chime in on how disenfranchised the 3 poor sweet children were and how somehow the fault belongs to the white kid.
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>The driver should be taken out and beaten publicly for not stopping the fight IMHO. Grab one of the thugs and put his head through a (closed) window and I'd bet the fight would be over.
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>>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/07/florida-school-bus-beatdown-goes-unnoticed-by-self-styled-civil-rights/
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>>3 to 1 and the 3 each 2 years older at a critical age for growth - no discussion needed.
>>Also no discussion needed on some usually audible political segments now being silent.
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>>That said -
>>1) in the discussions the 13 year old was praised for having forwarded information on being offered drugs.
>>a) In my book the answer to drugs is to try to teach to say "No" and have it understood by potential seller in the future, ***not*** telling them to snitch (loaded vocabulary no accident here).
>>b) Unless the offered deal was along the lines of "give me 150$ for 2g and you won't get beaten" the situation does not add up - sellers won't offer to anybody they just happen to meet on the street (at least over here), my private guess is there is a hidden story as well.
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>>2) IN the discussions on whether the driver should have stepped in physically, one side mentioned the drivers should be given guns (if they were afraid/physically unable to handle 3 15y olds). Usually I am almost all on Jakes side of the argument, but such stupidity makes it easy to understand Walters arguing against all guns. In a tight situation, in a bus loaded mostly with uninvolved kids, any bullet not hitting the target and staying all inside that guy is much more likely to hit one of the uninvolved kids. Even a SWAT team likes to go in with a surprise element and they are trained to handle not only their weapons but the auxiliary stress caused by the situation. Pepper spray, a club (NOT the axe! mentioned also by one bozo) or a taser are the right tools if you need tools at all in that tight space. And this is ***not*** said in a wish to save the perps. I realize you did not voice it, but I felt "fellow european with Walter" when I heard that part of the show, even if I usually don't on that particular topic ;-)