>I would have to disagree with you on the bus driver stepping in. He was, what, early 60's (?) and probably wasn't in shape to handle 3 15/17 year old kids. If he'd grabbed one of them, the other two probably would have turned on him. And if he HAD - that would have opened the school and the school district to all kinds of lawsuits, etc

Lawsuits be damned. There is right and there is wrong.

I've found that the bond between bullies breaks almost instantly when they face real opposition.


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>>I've been waiting for Mike B to chime in on how disenfranchised the 3 poor sweet children were and how somehow the fault belongs to the white kid.
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>>The driver should be taken out and beaten publicly for not stopping the fight IMHO. Grab one of the thugs and put his head through a (closed) window and I'd bet the fight would be over.
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>>>>http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/08/07/florida-school-bus-beatdown-goes-unnoticed-by-self-styled-civil-rights/
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>>>3 to 1 and the 3 each 2 years older at a critical age for growth - no discussion needed.
>>>Also no discussion needed on some usually audible political segments now being silent.
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>>>That said -
>>>1) in the discussions the 13 year old was praised for having forwarded information on being offered drugs.
>>>a) In my book the answer to drugs is to try to teach to say "No" and have it understood by potential seller in the future, ***not*** telling them to snitch (loaded vocabulary no accident here).
>>>b) Unless the offered deal was along the lines of "give me 150$ for 2g and you won't get beaten" the situation does not add up - sellers won't offer to anybody they just happen to meet on the street (at least over here), my private guess is there is a hidden story as well.
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>>>2) IN the discussions on whether the driver should have stepped in physically, one side mentioned the drivers should be given guns (if they were afraid/physically unable to handle 3 15y olds). Usually I am almost all on Jakes side of the argument, but such stupidity makes it easy to understand Walters arguing against all guns. In a tight situation, in a bus loaded mostly with uninvolved kids, any bullet not hitting the target and staying all inside that guy is much more likely to hit one of the uninvolved kids. Even a SWAT team likes to go in with a surprise element and they are trained to handle not only their weapons but the auxiliary stress caused by the situation. Pepper spray, a club (NOT the axe! mentioned also by one bozo) or a taser are the right tools if you need tools at all in that tight space. And this is ***not*** said in a wish to save the perps. I realize you did not voice it, but I felt "fellow european with Walter" when I heard that part of the show, even if I usually don't on that particular topic ;-)