>>>>>>For my ears, the french r is pronounced somewhere at the root of the tongue, not the tip (like most european ones are), so it's not so distinct (or rolled, as we call the english r), but I can clearly recognize when it's pronounced.
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>>>>>I see the difference between 'crois' and 'croissant' as 'night' and 'day' :)
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>>>>Seeing it is easy. But do you hear it? :)
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>>>Tamar is hearing the exact sound I am; so she and I were on the same page. Lutz was the first who correctly brought up the notion of nasal 'r' and not guttural 'r' that all the "experts" were hearing :)
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>>Pronouncing r through the nose... now there's a concept. I thought it was called a snort.
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>No. Snort is when you take something through the nose :)

Ah yes, what we call "bosnian r"... or "r in reverse"... well, nasal r sounds to me then like snort in reverse. Though to me the french r still sounds like guttural but slight, not too audible. The nasal... well that's probably the nearest vowel. To me, half of french vowels sound nasal.