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>>Unless you're really lucky, the American dream died a long time ago...
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>Candidly, I think Americans are in the best position to assess that. That's my way of saying that I wouldn't place much weight in an American evaluating the status of the (for instance) Netherlands dream.

I'd have to say Kevin that given the choice I'd go for the Netherlands. I know you think anecdotes are evidence so that must be proof.